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Nico Fried, Berlin
When Maybrit Illner last interviewed Olaf Scholz, there was still an election campaign in Germany. In the so-called trill, the SPD politician had to make a name for himself as one of three candidates for chancellor, so time was short for him and everything had to be spoken a little faster. Now Illner and Scholz have met again, she is still a moderator, he is now Chancellor.