I’m really served. Can’t be happy about the win. This defensive performance is simply terrible. I’m really sad.
I really don’t want a Nagelsmann 2.0 season. We conceded three goals against this opponent. Incredible. 
I still don’t think it was or is the trainer’s fault.
You could also just look at the time before Nagelsmann and *bling* Flick already had the problems in his second season. And with 44 goals conceded, significantly more than Nagelsmann in his seasons at Bayern.
And what happened that year? Thiago was gone. So maybe it’s because the Mf is missing someone who has balance and some other components if the defensive vulnerability has prevailed over the years and coaches since then.
But the main thing is Nagelsmann bashing, even though no one seems to have paid any attention to the topic.
People prefer to bash Thiago instead of recognizing that he was a force defensively every season with a staggering 60% tackles and most interceptions. In addition, he was by far the best Bundesliga player with 86% dribbling (in his last season with us) and this is how you gain space, for example, because then someone has to move out of the defense and others have more space.
Did Thiago also stupidly lose the ball? Yes, it happens to others too, but for him it was immediately made public.
Yesterday, for example, Kimmich played the ball (after a pass from Upa) right into the feet of a Manuel player and we were lucky that Upa ironed it out and what am I reading now in Bild, they blame Upa for it…
We always had players who were very good, but were always portrayed poorly, be it Thiago, Gomez or Upa (yes, he had a few problems last season)
Yes, it’s easier. I don’t understand how anyone can be surprised that they have no control in midfield. Neither Kimmich nor Goretzka have good technique or are resistant to pressure.
This might work sometimes if the opponent allows it, but not regularly.
Kimmich actually has such “mistakes” in almost every game, which then make others look bad or result in a wholesale trade for the opponent.
And about Thiago, I think someone from another forum described it very aptly.
“Thiago wasn’t a 6-man either, but he held back offensively, often just acted as a ball distributor and was a really unpleasant poisonous dwarf against the ball. That’s more about it: you need a CM who protects defensively and lets the offensives go easily. Here and there Kimmich or Gore do that too – but sometimes both of them press like crazy up front and open up the entire center. DAZN showed a nice scene yesterday before the game when both of them pressed up front against Bayer and there was a huge hole between the defense and MF was.”
That actually describes the situation best.
Since Pep is no longer there, our tactics have gone quite a bit down the drain and it’s more important to people that you score four goals and forget about defense. In modern football, the 6-man is a kind of libero who is there to distribute the ball, is there when the ball is lost, ensures that there is no excess number and closes the space directly in front of the 16-man so that you don’t get any long-range shots on goal. Basically, our attack comes from the left and the LV moves up, our LIV shifts to the left and the 6-ball closes the hole, the ball goes to the other side, everything shifts to the other side.
It started with Kovac, who put Thiago on the 6, but, quote: “Thiago should be an offensive 6”, with the result that we scored a lot of goals up front, but were open like a barn door Thiago is slow and then there were enormous holes in the middle. That’s why Thiago fell into disgrace. Flick’s first games were basically just as bad until he had a long conversation with Jupp, who must have told him that you need a real 6-pointer. Conclusion: won the CL with Thiago on the defensive 6.
Exactly the same mumbo jumbo under JN, with Kimmich and Gore simply way too offensive, which again ended in a lot of goals being conceded.
For me, Tuchel is tactically on a completely different level, even compared to the rest of us in the lead. He sees this hole, which is why he wants a holding six.
For our ball-possession football, the roles in the middle are fixed, with someone at number 6 protecting the back and someone at number 8 being a playmaker who can distribute the ball.
For the 6 we currently have no one who can fill the role adequately and for the 8 basically only Kimmich. Goretzka basically only fits in the 10/HS position, or if he accepts the role, in the 6, because he is strong in duels and physically robust, but that just means filling the role and not running wildly forward.