Celebrating on Saturday night The current gym his 60th birthday. Reason enough to talk to Dieter Kürten, 88, and Jochen Breyer, 40. From 1967 to 2000, Kürten led through around 400 programs, and Breyer has been part of the moderation team since 2013. Kürten from Wiesbaden is on the phone at Breyer’s Munich apartment. An interview about feel-good television, new sports journalism and legendary arguments.